From the Ground Up: Frontline Voices on Land Restoration - Action Dome, UNCCD COP17

Okay.
I'm assuming everybody knows what's happened.
00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,520 We have the competing Nomad show, 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,040 but we've realized that it is 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:12,680 actually a gift that's been given to us 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,640 because what we're going to do now is we're going to 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,240 record it and put it on the platform, 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:23,199 which is better than because it'll sit there, 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:25,399 so a much better option.
00:00:25,399 --> 00:00:28,600 Thank you very much for your patience.
00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,879 The important thing really is, 00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:33,280 as the session says, 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,060 we hear your voices and that's all that matters.
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So, for those of you who are joining us here, 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:45,159 I'm going to introduce Fabiola.
00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,439 Fabiola Nava is a member 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:51,440 of the G20 Global and Initiative, 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,479 and she's worked extremely hard on this particular event.
00:00:56,479 --> 00:00:59,800 She's also supporting another one of our guests, 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,199 Alejandro, that she's sitting next to.
00:01:02,199 --> 00:01:06,040 But to open the session and to give a brief context, 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,560 I'm going to hand over to Fabiola.
00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,559 Fabiola, please.
00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,879 Thank you very much.
Very good morning to 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:20,759 everyone joining us here and everyone who is watching.
00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,239 Basically, this conversation, I found 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:29,159 really important since through 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:31,520 the G20 Global Land Initiative, 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,239 we had two programs that we 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:35,079 have been supporting practitioners.
00:01:35,079 --> 00:01:36,840 One of them is the Small Grants Programme, 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,959 which is supporting organizations that are 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,800 doing restoration at the heart of the communities.
00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,399 And as well, we have our Youth Ecopreneur Programme (YECO), 00:01:44,399 --> 00:01:46,559 which is supporting youth ecopreneurs, 00:01:46,559 --> 00:01:48,999 which are through their business, 00:01:48,999 --> 00:01:51,639 they are restoring land.
00:01:51,639 --> 00:01:54,479 And we wanted to have 00:01:54,479 --> 00:01:58,159 this platform for them to share with us 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:01,599 the realities or the floor that sometimes 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:05,999 is a disconnection between us, 00:02:05,999 --> 00:02:07,439 the people that we are working 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:09,400 behind the desk as much as we do 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,760 the effort to relate and to be there.
00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,119 But I think it's important to be reminded 00:02:16,119 --> 00:02:18,600 of the practicalities of your job and 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,280 then so we can work 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,085 together and maybe accelerate the restoration together.
00:02:25,085 --> 00:02:27,330 Fabiola, thank you very much.
00:02:27,330 --> 00:02:28,889 So, in essence, we're turning 00:02:28,889 --> 00:02:32,090 a typical COP panel on its head.
00:02:32,090 --> 00:02:36,010 Normally, you're hearing from the policy advisors, 00:02:36,010 --> 00:02:39,170 from the head of this organization, that organization.
00:02:39,170 --> 00:02:42,290 Today, we are going to be hearing 00:02:42,290 --> 00:02:44,250 the stories firsthand from 00:02:44,250 --> 00:02:46,810 those that are doing the work themselves.
00:02:46,810 --> 00:02:49,769 So four very different perspectives 00:02:49,769 --> 00:02:51,730 is on the agenda today, 00:02:51,730 --> 00:02:54,849 and the countries we are going to be hearing 00:02:54,849 --> 00:02:58,334 from, we have Argentina.
00:02:58,334 --> 00:03:01,740 We have Indonesia, we have 00:03:01,740 --> 00:03:06,580 Kenya Nigeria and Mongolia as well.
00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:10,020 Can I just confirm that we don't have Kenya, do we? 00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:11,740 Okay.
Yeah, we do.
00:03:11,740 --> 00:03:14,340 No, no, Halake Mohamed Sama couldn't make it, 00:03:14,340 --> 00:03:15,900 but he has sent a video, 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:18,859 which we will add later.
00:03:18,940 --> 00:03:21,500 All right.
We've got there.
00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:24,620 The questions that we are going to be asking are, 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:27,185 what exactly are you doing? 00:03:27,185 --> 00:03:30,950 What allows you to keep doing it? 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:35,950 What do you need from those in 00:03:35,950 --> 00:03:38,070 the powerful positions here at 00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:41,190 COP that you're not getting now? 00:03:41,190 --> 00:03:43,990 What can they give you? 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:49,840 I wonder is Fabiola, 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,960 can we go to Alejandro first or shall we start? 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,560 Is Alejandro happy? 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,120 Okay, that's wonderful.
00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,439 So I'm going to give you 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:02,400 around 6 minutes each to present your stories.
00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,960 Take it out to the world.
00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,280 I don't want conference talk.
00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,560 I don't want conference talk at all.
00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,639 Just tell us about the reality on the ground.
00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:15,919 I don't particularly want eloquent sentences.
00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:17,799 It's, you know, talking to 00:04:17,799 --> 00:04:19,839 your friends on a Friday night, 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,039 you've had a hard week of 00:04:22,039 --> 00:04:24,319 what you're doing and just say, You know what? 00:04:24,319 --> 00:04:28,039 It's, it's been awful.
Why am I doing this? 00:04:28,039 --> 00:04:30,399 Okay, yeah, I remember why I'm doing this.
00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:33,079 So that's the approach that we're going to take.
00:04:33,079 --> 00:04:36,640 Alejandro Meitin works at the meeting point 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,959 of what we're describing as art, 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:41,814 ecology, and community action.
00:04:41,814 --> 00:04:44,749 Through Casa R�o, which is his organization, 00:04:44,749 --> 00:04:47,629 he uses a creative practice 00:04:47,629 --> 00:04:50,309 to build local ownership of land, 00:04:50,309 --> 00:04:52,510 but also water restoration.
00:04:52,510 --> 00:04:55,149 I mean, that's quite a challenge, water restoration, 00:04:55,149 --> 00:04:59,109 but also to show why culture and identity can be 00:04:59,109 --> 00:05:03,709 part of what makes restoration work, but also last.
00:05:03,709 --> 00:05:06,909 So, Alejandro, you are kicking us off.
00:05:06,909 --> 00:05:08,509 Take us to where you 00:05:08,509 --> 00:05:11,269 work and what you're restoring.
Thank you.
00:05:11,269 --> 00:05:30,980 Okay, thank you.
Scenario.
00:05:37,550 --> 00:05:49,030 Tatorl 00:05:49,030 --> 00:05:50,510 plata, 00:05:54,750 --> 00:05:59,590 continent Cuenca economica, 00:05:59,590 --> 00:06:06,429 and commodities, the Sul America.
00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:12,099 So Alejandro, what he 00:06:12,099 --> 00:06:14,900 was sharing with us is that he's not a newbie.
00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:18,619 He has been around this work for some time.
00:06:18,619 --> 00:06:24,060 His first conference that he participated was ECO-92, 00:06:24,060 --> 00:06:28,859 and his work through his organization works in 00:06:28,859 --> 00:06:33,940 the crossroads of art and environmental efforts.
00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:37,219 He worked in Casa R�o.
00:06:37,219 --> 00:06:39,340 It's focused on protecting 00:06:39,340 --> 00:06:43,899 the rivers through also working through 00:06:43,899 --> 00:06:46,099 commodities that can be 00:06:46,099 --> 00:06:55,619 um The exportation of 00:06:55,619 --> 00:06:57,820 commodities that come from the river 00:06:57,820 --> 00:07:01,219 and the community in the sustainable way.
00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:16,330 Commodity Trabaja 00:07:16,330 --> 00:07:18,879 La Pampian Mucha 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:20,960 Simile to the Comongola, 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,999 Litorajon Pampian Patagonia Mucha 00:07:24,999 --> 00:07:26,560 Simile to the Comongolia, 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:32,800 Gntenn extension territorios extentisim 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:44,480 reguatument de la Kaltura de Gaucho Hianri 00:07:47,910 --> 00:07:54,550 but also with the operational challenges and exports, 00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:56,869 also, there come challenges 00:07:56,869 --> 00:08:00,269 and problems that he's also trying to address.
00:08:00,269 --> 00:08:02,189 He has also mentioned about 00:08:02,189 --> 00:08:06,829 the similarities of the context that he is working on, 00:08:06,829 --> 00:08:11,030 bringing on to the local stage within Mongolia, 00:08:11,030 --> 00:08:15,069 related to the relation to the culture 00:08:15,069 --> 00:08:18,830 and the migrant movement of the communities.
00:08:18,830 --> 00:08:23,270 So there is some similarities in the realities that he's 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:25,230 working on with the realities that 00:08:25,230 --> 00:08:29,109 people from Mongolia as well is going through.
00:08:30,350 --> 00:08:36,909 Organ rth 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:19,239 Lapp Pec 00:09:19,239 --> 00:09:21,039 nutrients.
00:09:25,790 --> 00:09:29,989 So given that the cultural relation 00:09:29,989 --> 00:09:32,110 is too strong and is too important, 00:09:32,110 --> 00:09:34,630 that's why his organization has 00:09:34,630 --> 00:09:38,310 focused on address it from that perspective.
00:09:38,310 --> 00:09:41,620 And And he has 00:09:41,620 --> 00:09:44,900 mentioned that they realized that restoring 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:48,580 the ecosystem is extremely close to 00:09:48,580 --> 00:09:53,700 the cultural engagement and 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:55,500 also the recovery of 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:58,859 the cultural practices from the communities.
00:09:58,859 --> 00:10:03,260 The region that he mainly works is a Pampas region, 00:10:03,260 --> 00:10:06,620 which recently has lost a lot of 00:10:06,620 --> 00:10:10,220 his main functionalities for people to 00:10:10,220 --> 00:10:12,020 sustain around it and 00:10:12,020 --> 00:10:15,060 mainly the nutrients that come from it.
00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:27,240 A 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:48,359 territorial.
00:11:05,940 --> 00:11:08,860 Yeah.
Through his work, 00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:13,380 he has realized that the land degradation 00:11:13,380 --> 00:11:18,539 is not only when it starts their capacity of production, 00:11:18,539 --> 00:11:20,340 but when it in 00:11:20,340 --> 00:11:23,820 overall it losses their properties that it can 00:11:23,820 --> 00:11:33,180 manage and sustain the Yes, 00:11:33,180 --> 00:11:35,219 that can help and improve 00:11:35,219 --> 00:11:38,419 to sustain the future of the communities.
00:11:47,200 --> 00:12:02,560 Proximos 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:11,920 extensa, que.
00:12:18,930 --> 00:12:23,930 So part of the work that he's describing that 00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:25,970 he's here to share is one of 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:29,330 the projects of many initiatives that they work.
00:12:29,330 --> 00:12:32,049 But through the small grant programs, 00:12:32,049 --> 00:12:36,449 he has focused in one single project, 00:12:36,450 --> 00:12:41,890 which is working with a remote village of the region.
00:12:41,890 --> 00:12:43,410 So 00:12:52,180 --> 00:12:53,500 Yeah.
00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:55,380 Basically, it was just a location 00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:56,779 of the work that he currently is 00:12:56,779 --> 00:12:58,060 doing through the project 00:12:58,060 --> 00:13:00,620 that he submitted to the Small Grants Programme.
00:13:00,620 --> 00:13:03,220 So it's a rural area.
00:13:29,340 --> 00:13:34,620 The project also has a very strong focus on keeping 00:13:34,620 --> 00:13:37,820 the community engaged and 00:13:37,820 --> 00:13:41,499 also improve the participation of women.
00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:50,500 A, 00:14:09,270 --> 00:14:11,230 specifically the group 00:14:11,230 --> 00:14:15,710 of women that they work with is a group that has been 00:14:15,710 --> 00:14:19,830 displaced and maybe not being 00:14:19,830 --> 00:14:24,709 considered before through other projects.
00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:41,680 Potent 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:58,159 intrinsic La caminata lats, 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,280 Aciso la transform 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,159 territorios 00:15:11,460 --> 00:15:13,540 Okay, 00:15:30,260 --> 00:15:32,659 tert 00:16:00,090 --> 00:16:09,369 venci 00:16:11,530 --> 00:16:13,210 So basically, 00:16:13,210 --> 00:16:17,690 he was sharing with us the how and why the art.
00:16:17,690 --> 00:16:21,129 Because for them and for communities, 00:16:21,129 --> 00:16:25,410 it's a way to re-enchant people and to give them 00:16:25,410 --> 00:16:27,650 another creative lens and 00:16:27,650 --> 00:16:30,090 closeness to land and the restoration.
00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:34,170 Mm hm.
So instead, 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:36,890 they always search for 00:16:36,890 --> 00:16:39,489 another way more than maybe a basic painting, 00:16:39,489 --> 00:16:41,810 but they are always kind of like engaging in 00:16:41,810 --> 00:16:44,569 other artistic ways to show people 00:16:44,569 --> 00:16:48,505 what is land and the restoration, the importance of it.
00:16:48,505 --> 00:16:51,880 Re-enchanted.
That's a very important concept 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,600 that he wants us to remember.
Okay.
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,639 Alejandro, thank you very much indeed.
00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:57,200 We're going to pause there because 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,924 we've got more questions to come.
00:16:58,924 --> 00:17:00,085 We've got more questions to come.
00:17:00,085 --> 00:17:01,639 Don't worry.
Thank you for that.
00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:05,479 Just for describing your initiative for us.
00:17:05,479 --> 00:17:07,159 I'm going to bring it home and come 00:17:07,159 --> 00:17:09,879 to our Mongolian entrepreneur.
00:17:09,879 --> 00:17:12,844 Chimka Munkhbayar, who is sitting here next to me, 00:17:12,844 --> 00:17:16,079 has spent over a decade building technology 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:18,205 for rural farmers, 00:17:18,205 --> 00:17:20,080 but also for herders.
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:25,015 A co-founder of Nomads Agritech Innovations, 00:17:25,015 --> 00:17:28,580 and also an IBM call for code 2020 winners.
00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:31,779 So we have an award winner on the panel with us today.
00:17:31,779 --> 00:17:33,899 And just tell us about your app.
00:17:33,899 --> 00:17:38,619 It's called Agrolly and it helps to 00:17:38,619 --> 00:17:42,020 incubate scalable green projects 00:17:42,020 --> 00:17:45,500 through Mongolia's national Green Lab platform.
00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:48,419 What problem did you see that you 00:17:48,419 --> 00:17:52,039 thought I could solve with tech? Thank you.
00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:57,340 Hello, everyone.
My name is Chimka Munkhbayar and I'm from Mongolia.
00:17:57,340 --> 00:18:00,219 I've grown up in the easternmost part of 00:18:00,219 --> 00:18:04,299 Mongolia in a household of the family farmers.
00:18:04,299 --> 00:18:06,859 So I know a lot of struggles from 00:18:06,859 --> 00:18:10,379 my childhood that my grandma used to struggle.
00:18:10,379 --> 00:18:11,860 So when I was a child, 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:14,060 my family quit the farming, 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:16,339 and then we went to we moved to 00:18:16,339 --> 00:18:19,059 the city for better education and lifestyle.
00:18:19,059 --> 00:18:20,619 But after 20 years, 00:18:20,619 --> 00:18:22,949 after studied in the US.
00:18:22,949 --> 00:18:24,470 I came back to Mongolia, 00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:26,109 and then I decided to travel.
00:18:26,109 --> 00:18:27,949 So I traveled across Mongolia, 00:18:27,949 --> 00:18:31,269 2,000 kilometers to my hometown.
00:18:31,269 --> 00:18:33,430 So I just met a lot of farmers.
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:36,910 What's going on and how their life has been improved.
00:18:36,910 --> 00:18:38,549 Nothing has changed.
So I 00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:40,029 decided I'm going to do something.
00:18:40,029 --> 00:18:42,590 And then I went back to the US, and then I just, 00:18:42,590 --> 00:18:46,739 um decided to maybe I'm going to do app that 00:18:46,739 --> 00:18:49,940 can help those rural smallholder farmers 00:18:49,940 --> 00:18:51,499 because we have now Internet.
00:18:51,499 --> 00:18:54,939 Everyone has smartphones and why not? It doesn't work.
00:18:54,939 --> 00:18:57,659 I just decided to ask 00:18:57,659 --> 00:19:01,019 farmers what kind of solution they need.
00:19:01,019 --> 00:19:03,660 The first thing is there's 00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:06,499 no long-term climate trend app, 00:19:06,499 --> 00:19:08,539 which is like for your land, 00:19:08,539 --> 00:19:09,699 what's going to happen for the 00:19:09,699 --> 00:19:11,420 next five years, ten years, 00:19:11,420 --> 00:19:13,379 I'm going to jump in because there are 00:19:13,379 --> 00:19:16,225 so many questions and before I lose the questions, 00:19:16,225 --> 00:19:18,990 What were the climate? 00:19:18,990 --> 00:19:25,549 Why did they need a climate app to track those trends? 00:19:25,549 --> 00:19:28,309 What was the problem that they already saw, 00:19:28,309 --> 00:19:30,329 we need to sort this out? 00:19:30,329 --> 00:19:33,629 Yeah, for sure.
Usually, every year 00:19:33,629 --> 00:19:35,390 the climate is changing.
00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:38,309 Like we might not know, but the farmers, 00:19:38,309 --> 00:19:41,309 they truly experience what's going on 00:19:41,309 --> 00:19:45,590 because they expect the next year will be decent summer, 00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:48,630 but it turns out to be very hot dry summer.
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:52,829 So those things are very hard to predict for farmers.
00:19:52,829 --> 00:19:55,110 Usually in Mongolia, for example, 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:57,589 they are local apps that can help you to 00:19:57,589 --> 00:20:00,390 predict the quarter climate.
00:20:00,390 --> 00:20:02,790 But they really want to know what's going to 00:20:02,790 --> 00:20:05,469 happen for my land for the next five years.
00:20:05,469 --> 00:20:07,109 If it's going to dry out.
00:20:07,109 --> 00:20:08,869 I'm going to move out somewhere and 00:20:08,869 --> 00:20:10,829 buy new land and Like, 00:20:10,829 --> 00:20:13,629 they need to long-term plan because they cannot 00:20:13,629 --> 00:20:17,104 really leave like from month to month or year to year.
00:20:17,104 --> 00:20:20,269 Like they need a longer term climate trend app.
00:20:20,269 --> 00:20:22,429 So I decided I'm going to do that.
00:20:22,429 --> 00:20:26,269 So I just pitched my idea to my school friends in the US, 00:20:26,269 --> 00:20:30,065 and we decided to launch the app in four countries, 00:20:30,065 --> 00:20:33,469 including Mongolia, Brazil, and India, and Taiwan.
00:20:33,469 --> 00:20:37,189 So we just came up really rough idea on the app.
00:20:37,189 --> 00:20:40,909 Then we submitted our solution to IBM Call for Code.
00:20:40,909 --> 00:20:44,974 It's an annual technology challenge a 00:20:44,974 --> 00:20:48,240 I think it's like 400,000 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,879 developers from 175 countries participated and we 00:20:52,879 --> 00:20:56,999 won the grand prize because ours is like we 00:20:56,999 --> 00:20:59,600 just heavily piloted our solution 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,959 in Mongolia in eastern part, 00:21:01,959 --> 00:21:04,239 especially my hometown, and 00:21:04,239 --> 00:21:06,400 we got really a lot of traction 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,520 and feedback from the farmers 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,439 and basically they helped us to build it up.
00:21:11,439 --> 00:21:15,199 You've got the app.
What data did you put into it? 00:21:15,199 --> 00:21:18,119 What was the actual data that you put into it? 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,599 Were they recording it, 00:21:19,599 --> 00:21:22,634 or did you have to put the datasets into it? 00:21:22,634 --> 00:21:24,949 So basically, we had 00:21:24,949 --> 00:21:28,269 80 years of historical weather data from NASA.
00:21:28,269 --> 00:21:29,669 We worked with NASA and 00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:32,069 then it was because it was open data, 00:21:32,069 --> 00:21:34,989 we just pulled out to our app.
00:21:34,989 --> 00:21:37,310 But at the same time, the farmers, 00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:42,749 they could also record their data, for example.
00:21:42,749 --> 00:21:44,949 I think it was mixed.
00:21:44,949 --> 00:21:46,430 We just built after that, 00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:48,949 we built a model that can help them 00:21:48,949 --> 00:21:52,629 predict what is the trend for the next five years.
00:21:52,629 --> 00:21:56,630 But our model was 87% accurate, 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:59,860 so it somehow helped the farmers.
00:21:59,860 --> 00:22:03,409 Okay.
And you said that they can input data as well.
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:05,409 At the same time, you're collecting data, 00:22:05,409 --> 00:22:06,649 it's learning and it's 00:22:06,649 --> 00:22:08,414 getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
00:22:08,414 --> 00:22:13,179 Yes.
And what has been the feedback from the farmers? 00:22:13,179 --> 00:22:17,979 The farmers, I think after the climate trend, 00:22:17,979 --> 00:22:22,179 they just also wanted to what kind of Of course, 00:22:22,179 --> 00:22:23,739 they were really happy, but 00:22:23,739 --> 00:22:25,699 at the same time, they need more data.
00:22:25,699 --> 00:22:27,739 Like they needed to learn more 00:22:27,739 --> 00:22:31,980 about what kind of other plants or vegetable.
00:22:31,980 --> 00:22:34,180 They can just depending 00:22:34,180 --> 00:22:35,939 on what's going to happen to their land, 00:22:35,939 --> 00:22:37,459 what kind of other plants or 00:22:37,459 --> 00:22:39,379 vegetables they want to plant.
00:22:39,379 --> 00:22:40,979 They wanted those kind of information.
00:22:40,979 --> 00:22:44,420 But get double farming is pretty new to Mongolia 00:22:44,420 --> 00:22:48,590 because we are heavily livestock and herder nomadic.
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:50,469 We know livestock but 00:22:50,469 --> 00:22:52,669 we don't know much about vegetable farming, 00:22:52,669 --> 00:22:54,389 so they needed more data.
00:22:54,389 --> 00:22:56,510 We just met FAO, 00:22:56,510 --> 00:22:58,750 a lot of other international organizations, 00:22:58,750 --> 00:23:02,629 and we collected what kind of vegetables or 00:23:02,629 --> 00:23:04,909 plants they can plant on 00:23:04,909 --> 00:23:07,669 their land and we just also included in our app.
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:09,749 At the same time, we wanted maybe 00:23:09,749 --> 00:23:12,230 it's better for them to peer learning.
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:15,789 We just opened up the window where the farmers 00:23:15,789 --> 00:23:19,430 can exchange ideas and it was like farmers Facebook.
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:22,039 What surprised you the most about this project? 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:25,889 Oh, I didn't expect it going to be so big.
00:23:25,889 --> 00:23:28,649 So in 2022, I was 00:23:28,649 --> 00:23:31,969 invited to IBM and also South by Southwest, 00:23:31,969 --> 00:23:33,569 and I presented this idea, 00:23:33,569 --> 00:23:36,049 like how college students can 00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:39,050 turn their idea into real world.
00:23:39,050 --> 00:23:43,929 It was really just my university like capstone project.
00:23:43,929 --> 00:23:46,649 So it turned out that I'm going to do it.
00:23:46,649 --> 00:23:48,649 So we worked with IBM, 00:23:48,649 --> 00:23:52,810 Linux, and then after that in 2024, 00:23:52,810 --> 00:23:54,650 we just me open source 00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:58,009 where all other developers from around the world, 00:23:58,009 --> 00:23:59,489 they can use the model and 00:23:59,489 --> 00:24:01,289 then integrate in their own app.
00:24:01,289 --> 00:24:03,289 Okay.
Fascinating.
Thank you very 00:24:03,289 --> 00:24:05,569 much for sharing that with us.
00:24:05,569 --> 00:24:08,090 Right.
I'm going to go to the gentleman that's 00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:11,370 sitting next to you, Rawanda Wandy Tuturoong.
00:24:11,370 --> 00:24:14,649 Tuturoong, thank you for that.
00:24:14,649 --> 00:24:19,169 Now, Rawanda Wandy Tuturoong is based in Indonesia, 00:24:19,169 --> 00:24:22,889 and is called YTS, your organization.
00:24:22,889 --> 00:24:28,009 And this is a trust based agroforestry initiative, 00:24:28,009 --> 00:24:30,889 and you're making restoration part 00:24:30,889 --> 00:24:32,129 of the farming systems, 00:24:32,129 --> 00:24:34,089 but also livelihoods and 00:24:34,089 --> 00:24:36,649 communities are key to what you're doing.
00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:40,770 And they depend on this as well, this sector.
00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:43,089 And your experience essentially is 00:24:43,089 --> 00:24:45,969 connecting land recovery with food, 00:24:45,969 --> 00:24:48,930 income, and long term relationships.
00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:53,329 So transport us to Indonesia, one day.
00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:56,530 What exactly are you trying to 00:24:56,530 --> 00:25:00,609 restore and why was there a need to do it? 00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:07,739 Thank you.
First of all, 00:25:07,739 --> 00:25:11,540 I think it's to start with, 00:25:11,540 --> 00:25:15,740 maybe we need to understand the challenges 00:25:15,740 --> 00:25:19,939 or the pressure that we had in Kalimantan where I live.
00:25:19,939 --> 00:25:22,940 Central Kalimantan, is the biggest island in 00:25:22,940 --> 00:25:28,060 Indonesia and also tropical rainforests, 00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:33,659 the biggest tropical peatland area in Kalimantan.
00:25:33,659 --> 00:25:36,499 So I live there.
And that situation 00:25:36,499 --> 00:25:40,550 actually give the context, 00:25:40,550 --> 00:25:44,189 the background why we are doing this.
00:25:44,189 --> 00:25:48,869 So we have at least three pressures on land.
00:25:48,869 --> 00:25:51,030 First, fire.
00:25:51,030 --> 00:25:53,389 Now, as I'm speaking right now, 00:25:53,389 --> 00:25:56,349 there's a big fire in my place.
00:25:56,349 --> 00:25:59,869 People are wearing masks and 00:25:59,869 --> 00:26:04,795 schools start closing because of the smoke.
00:26:04,795 --> 00:26:07,599 Because in dry season like this, 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:09,879 peatland is very fragile, 00:26:09,879 --> 00:26:13,280 very sensitive, can easily get burned.
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:19,600 So we already have in the past 2009, 2015, big fires, 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,600 and it also reach Malaysia, 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,680 our neighbors and Singapore 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,160 now started to reach Malaysia, I think.
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,159 This is the first challenge.
00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:32,840 The second one is degradation, 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,160 deforestation because of plantation 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,599 like palm oil plantation.
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:41,039 And the third is in my area, 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,880 especially it's sand mining.
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,639 So in this situation, we work, 00:26:46,639 --> 00:26:50,484 and that's why to restore the land, 00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:52,759 we need to do all together 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:55,440 the community driven restoration, 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:02,399 livelihood and also health issues, health issue.
00:27:02,399 --> 00:27:05,119 Now, because one other thing 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,519 that make this place more complicated, 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,689 more complex is that have 00:27:11,689 --> 00:27:14,729 small scale goat miners we have 00:27:14,729 --> 00:27:20,130 big rivers and there's a lot of goat miners, 00:27:20,130 --> 00:27:21,770 small scale goat miners.
00:27:21,770 --> 00:27:23,969 They use mercury, and this adds 00:27:23,969 --> 00:27:26,570 to the complexity of the situation.
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:29,209 So in short, what we are 00:27:29,209 --> 00:27:32,050 doing is because it's too complex, 00:27:32,050 --> 00:27:35,064 we need to build together with the community.
00:27:35,064 --> 00:27:39,239 So we work with the farmer for the agroforestry.
00:27:39,239 --> 00:27:41,519 But at the same time, we also teach 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:43,480 the small scale gold miners 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,679 because they have no other choice to live, 00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:48,519 to pay for their children's school.
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:50,759 How not using mercury? 00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:53,959 We promote I think we got support in 00:27:53,959 --> 00:27:58,039 the past few years from some international organization, 00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:02,559 including UNDP, but now funding is less and less, 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,439 so we have to find a way.
00:28:04,439 --> 00:28:08,759 And that's why we again, 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,479 we work with the community.
00:28:11,780 --> 00:28:13,939 Learn together with the 00:28:13,939 --> 00:28:15,659 community because we live with them.
00:28:15,659 --> 00:28:17,619 The farmers is my neighbor.
00:28:17,619 --> 00:28:19,940 And so our approach 00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:23,779 is every program, including this support, 00:28:23,779 --> 00:28:25,579 the small grant provided by 00:28:25,579 --> 00:28:31,379 UNCCD also serve as the classroom for all of us.
00:28:31,379 --> 00:28:35,340 So we work with the farmer, 00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:38,219 introduce them this agroforestry, 00:28:38,219 --> 00:28:40,420 provide them with seedlings 00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:44,489 and fertilizer lime, everything.
00:28:44,489 --> 00:28:46,759 So I'm trying to work 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:49,239 out why you had an interest in this community.
00:28:49,239 --> 00:28:51,759 Is it your community or is 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:54,200 it your family that was being impacted? 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,759 What made you care? Why do 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,479 you care about this particular community? 00:28:58,479 --> 00:29:01,239 First of all, I live there.
00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:04,640 So the problem that I 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,639 mentioned is just one or 2 kilometers from my house.
00:29:08,639 --> 00:29:12,639 So I have no exit strategy.
00:29:12,639 --> 00:29:14,880 We have no exit strategy.
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,080 So we have to keep on learning.
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,919 We keep on doing things because the resilience of 00:29:20,919 --> 00:29:22,839 the community is also the resilience 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,664 of all of us, including my organization.
00:29:25,664 --> 00:29:28,449 So my organization is a local organization, 00:29:28,449 --> 00:29:32,049 but we have built a good relationship 00:29:32,049 --> 00:29:34,729 with international organization and 00:29:34,729 --> 00:29:35,970 with the local government 00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:38,129 also because we want 00:29:38,129 --> 00:29:43,450 to we want to identify all strengths and weaknesses, 00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:48,370 potential opportunities so that we as neighbors, 00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:50,689 as one community, one big community, 00:29:50,689 --> 00:29:53,009 can solve this big problem.
00:29:53,009 --> 00:29:55,050 And also, we have vision.
00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:59,770 Because we live actually Palangka Raya, the city, 00:29:59,770 --> 00:30:02,409 the capital of Central Kalimantan where I live, 00:30:02,409 --> 00:30:05,049 is part of the buffer zone of 00:30:05,049 --> 00:30:08,530 the huge peatland landscape called the Sebangau landscape.
00:30:08,530 --> 00:30:15,210 It's the Sebangau National Park, 600 600,000 hectares.
00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:17,130 So to put it in context, 00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:21,049 Jakarta is the biggest city in the world, I think now.
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:24,530 It's 250,000 hectares.
00:30:24,530 --> 00:30:26,969 So the peatland landscape where 00:30:26,969 --> 00:30:32,730 we live next to it, 600,000 hectares.
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:36,289 Visually it's significant.
00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:38,649 Visually, when you first 00:30:38,660 --> 00:30:42,419 When you realize I need to do something here, 00:30:42,419 --> 00:30:44,580 if you can paint a picture, 00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:46,219 just describe it to us.
00:30:46,219 --> 00:30:48,819 What visually could you see? 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:54,060 How has it been transformed? 00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:56,259 So because we live in 00:30:56,259 --> 00:31:00,080 the buffer zone of the big peatland landscape, 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,899 Our vision is to 00:31:02,899 --> 00:31:06,780 work with all the communities in the buffer zone.
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:10,699 It consists of 37 villages 00:31:10,699 --> 00:31:13,460 and including the city of Palangka Raya, 00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:14,740 even though it is a city, 00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:16,740 but it's the character of the city, 00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:18,619 it's like rural area.
00:31:18,619 --> 00:31:22,539 So we work with all them of the community.
00:31:22,539 --> 00:31:26,899 Now, we only cover seven villages.
00:31:26,899 --> 00:31:29,539 Seven fields villages out of 00:31:29,539 --> 00:31:33,979 37 37 surrounding this ber zone.
00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:35,939 So our vision is long term.
00:31:35,939 --> 00:31:39,780 We want to make sure that they have good livelihood, 00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:43,100 good living, peat land friendly livelihood.
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:45,660 And I think our approach 00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:48,019 is to have multi stakeholder things, 00:31:48,019 --> 00:31:53,619 forum, partnership because the challenges are too big.
00:31:53,619 --> 00:31:55,140 We cannot do it alone.
00:31:55,140 --> 00:31:59,480 So every opportunity Every networking opportunities, 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,279 I think we will try to optimize that.
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,039 Wandy, thank you very much indeed.
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,400 We'll come to what you need shortly.
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,519 But I'm going to go now we're heading to Nigeria 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:17,359 and Ritkatmun Bwemana.
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:20,040 Ritkatmun.
Absolutely phonetic.
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,039 I was trying to make it too complicated.
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:27,089 I Um, okay, so Green Eden Farms Ltd.
00:32:27,089 --> 00:32:29,289 Take us to Eden.
Thank you.
00:32:29,289 --> 00:32:31,490 Tell us about it.
Thank you.
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:35,010 So my name is Ritkatmun Bwemana, 00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:39,369 and I'm the founder of Green Eden Farms Ltd in Nigeria, 00:32:39,369 --> 00:32:42,809 where we work with smallholder farmers, 00:32:42,809 --> 00:32:45,009 particularly in Northern Nigeria 00:32:45,009 --> 00:32:47,729 to help them adapt to climate change, 00:32:47,729 --> 00:32:51,610 to ensure that they use land efficiently, 00:32:51,610 --> 00:32:53,409 resources efficiently, 00:32:53,409 --> 00:32:55,049 while ultimately 00:32:55,049 --> 00:32:58,810 optimizing their productivity and income.
00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:04,350 So I am a farmer myself.
What do you farm? 00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:06,870 Vegetables, peppers, 00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:10,829 tomato, cabbage, lettuce, most vegetables.
00:33:10,829 --> 00:33:12,710 How do you find farming? 00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:15,749 Fulfilling.
Okay.
That's good.
00:33:15,749 --> 00:33:18,469 It's something I've always wanted to do since I was 11.
00:33:18,469 --> 00:33:20,629 How did you get the land? 00:33:20,629 --> 00:33:23,750 I lease.
You lease the land? 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:25,834 Yes.
And how does that work for you? 00:33:25,834 --> 00:33:27,794 It's working really well 00:33:27,794 --> 00:33:31,319 because we have lots of farming communities 00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:34,315 where they have large coverage 00:33:34,315 --> 00:33:37,234 of land where you can lease for, 00:33:37,234 --> 00:33:38,795 depending on the agreement, 00:33:38,795 --> 00:33:40,839 five years, seven years.
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:44,109 And there are some of the lands that are owned.
00:33:44,109 --> 00:33:46,755 So hectares are owned by ourselves.
00:33:46,755 --> 00:33:49,829 So your initiative, then, 00:33:49,829 --> 00:33:51,634 was this something you were being 00:33:51,634 --> 00:33:54,774 impacted by that you thought I need to do something? 00:33:54,774 --> 00:33:58,999 Yes.
Tell us, talk us through the need.
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,599 First of all, it started with 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:03,679 the pressure on farmers to produce 00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:06,800 more for a fast growing population, 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,720 particularly in Nigeria, 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:11,039 and in Northern Nigeria, 00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,600 that's where the climate 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,959 is more suitable and from a state called plate to state, 00:34:16,959 --> 00:34:20,439 we have one of the best climates for growing vegetables.
00:34:20,439 --> 00:34:21,839 So the pressure and 00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:24,120 the demand kept increasing 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,839 on the farmers to produce more, 00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:30,279 but they didn't have what it takes to produce more.
00:34:30,279 --> 00:34:32,199 The issue was they didn't even know 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:33,939 what was going on in their soil.
00:34:33,939 --> 00:34:35,779 They don't know what's going on in the land, 00:34:35,779 --> 00:34:38,779 but I keep producing.
00:34:38,779 --> 00:34:41,939 We have a lot of indiscriminate use 00:34:41,939 --> 00:34:45,900 of imputes fertilizers, pesticides.
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:47,339 I mean, they don't even know 00:34:47,339 --> 00:34:49,059 what exactly they are applying but 00:34:49,059 --> 00:34:50,419 they just put it on the land 00:34:50,419 --> 00:34:53,140 just to meet up with the demand.
00:34:53,140 --> 00:34:57,899 That was a problem that I noticed because eventually, 00:34:57,899 --> 00:35:01,579 crops that would grow well on the land, 00:35:01,579 --> 00:35:03,859 the land started rejecting them.
00:35:03,859 --> 00:35:05,464 They were not doing so well.
00:35:05,464 --> 00:35:09,189 So that was how green eading came to be, 00:35:09,189 --> 00:35:11,109 where we decided to use 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:14,309 the data that we generate from the land and 00:35:14,309 --> 00:35:16,549 the environment as well to help 00:35:16,549 --> 00:35:18,349 farmers like me make 00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:20,349 better decisions.
So what was the data? 00:35:20,349 --> 00:35:22,549 What data? So yeah, 00:35:22,549 --> 00:35:26,030 we collect soil data like the soil moisture, 00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:30,070 the temperature, the NPK nutrient levels, 00:35:30,070 --> 00:35:31,710 and the soil pH.
00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:35,629 We also collect some farmers grew in greenhouses.
00:35:35,629 --> 00:35:37,909 So we collect the temperature of 00:35:37,909 --> 00:35:40,789 the greenhouse humidity and air quality as well.
00:35:40,789 --> 00:35:43,429 So how did you where did you find the support to 00:35:43,429 --> 00:35:46,269 know what you needed to collect in terms of soil? 00:35:46,269 --> 00:35:48,189 Because a lot of people take 00:35:48,189 --> 00:35:50,269 soil for granted.
Yeah.
Yeah.
00:35:50,269 --> 00:35:53,389 So I have my background in agriculture.
00:35:53,389 --> 00:35:54,709 I am an agronomist.
00:35:54,709 --> 00:35:58,069 Fabulous.
That's where it came from.
00:35:58,069 --> 00:36:02,989 Yeah, the theoretical knowledge I got from school, 00:36:02,989 --> 00:36:04,669 that was where it actually 00:36:04,669 --> 00:36:06,789 became a solid practical thing.
00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:09,350 So when you were teaching your fellow farmers.
00:36:09,350 --> 00:36:12,189 Yeah.
Did they automatically listen to you? 00:36:12,189 --> 00:36:13,870 Were they collaborative straightaway? 00:36:13,870 --> 00:36:15,270 What was your biggest challenge? 00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:16,950 Why are you laughing? 00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:19,310 So it was a bit easier 00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:21,670 for me because like I said, I'm a farmer.
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:24,549 So community is very 00:36:24,549 --> 00:36:27,310 important when relating with smallholder farmers.
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,230 So they've seen me come to the farm.
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:30,790 They've seen me grow crops.
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:33,549 So it's easier to listen to me doing that 00:36:33,549 --> 00:36:36,789 except for newer communities where I'm going into.
00:36:36,789 --> 00:36:38,870 So even if I say I'm a farmer, 00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:41,559 the they assume that, 00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:43,079 I'm just saying that, so they 00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,839 accept me.
It takes a while.
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:48,760 First of all, within a group of farmers, 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,199 there's always a leader and 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,359 an early adopter that you target first.
00:36:54,359 --> 00:36:57,159 Once you're able to get to those sets of people, 00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:00,080 the others tend to the bandwagon effects, 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,599 they don't want to follow suit 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,284 with whatever that person is adopting.
00:37:04,284 --> 00:37:07,529 Okay.
Now I want to know 00:37:07,529 --> 00:37:11,489 what happens when the funding runs out or when 00:37:11,489 --> 00:37:14,849 you're getting to the end and Wy smiling because 00:37:14,849 --> 00:37:17,009 you've already signaled obviously 00:37:17,009 --> 00:37:18,769 that funding has dropped away.
00:37:18,769 --> 00:37:20,809 But when you're getting to the end of 00:37:20,809 --> 00:37:24,969 your three month budget cycle or the end of the month, 00:37:24,970 --> 00:37:27,889 what's that like, Alejandro? 00:37:27,889 --> 00:37:29,370 I mean, funding wise, 00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:31,609 how do you cope with that.
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,759 A 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,759 externals.
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,399 In his experience, 00:38:24,399 --> 00:38:28,399 through his organization, he always have had to find 00:38:28,399 --> 00:38:32,799 a way to sustain themselves.
00:38:32,799 --> 00:38:34,919 Something that they believe is 00:38:34,919 --> 00:38:37,279 important for the donors to understand is that 00:38:37,279 --> 00:38:42,839 they should fund processes instead of projects.
00:38:42,839 --> 00:38:46,319 And one also way that 00:38:46,319 --> 00:38:49,719 they have worked on is in the strength capacity of 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:57,710 a To offer services through their projects.
00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:00,669 That is also a way that they sustain themselves.
00:39:00,669 --> 00:39:02,349 Wandy, I'm going to come 00:39:02,349 --> 00:39:04,150 to you because you were laughing.
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:07,990 Yeah.
Just tell us your experience battling the budget.
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:11,510 What's it like? What goes, What stays? 00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:16,509 Yeah, actually, we know that funding will come and go.
00:39:16,509 --> 00:39:19,069 But the organization, we 00:39:19,069 --> 00:39:21,429 and the community will still be there.
00:39:21,429 --> 00:39:24,989 So part of our learning process, 00:39:24,989 --> 00:39:28,709 and we put that in our strategic planning for five years, 00:39:28,709 --> 00:39:31,469 is to diversify and including 00:39:31,469 --> 00:39:34,909 establish a cooperative among us, 00:39:34,909 --> 00:39:38,500 all the members of my my foundation.
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:40,499 We part of the cooperative, 00:39:40,499 --> 00:39:43,339 and we also try connect 00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:45,380 this cooperative with the farmers.
00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:47,700 So we sell the farmers products, 00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:49,219 although it's not really, 00:39:49,219 --> 00:39:51,780 you know, the supply is not stable.
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:54,779 But we actually have 00:39:54,779 --> 00:39:58,259 opportunities to learn other things like ecotourism, 00:39:58,259 --> 00:40:03,429 for example, because in our area, 00:40:03,429 --> 00:40:06,520 Orangutan is one of the biggest attraction.
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,519 We have the biggest tropical orangutan population 00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:13,040 in Kalimantan.
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,280 In my neighbor, the Sebangau peatland landscape, 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,960 around 6,080 population of orangutan.
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,079 So it will attract and we 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,880 already we support it in one village, 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,160 actually, Pilang Village in Pulang Pisau District, 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,459 we support it through GIZ from 00:40:34,459 --> 00:40:42,499 Germany to do this multi stakeholder partnership.
00:40:42,499 --> 00:40:45,460 Actually, this is related to SDG staying, 00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:48,939 but we ask, okay, can we focus on people and livelihood? 00:40:48,939 --> 00:40:51,379 So we really want this to happen.
00:40:51,379 --> 00:40:54,379 And through this multi stakeholder partnership, 00:40:54,379 --> 00:40:58,369 something Even us, we didn't plan that, 00:40:58,369 --> 00:41:01,729 but some other corporation, 00:41:01,729 --> 00:41:06,729 even the local community, they say, Hey, 00:41:06,729 --> 00:41:09,370 we have land, this island, 00:41:09,610 --> 00:41:12,889 there is an orangutan conservation.
00:41:12,889 --> 00:41:15,730 Can we link this to the village government? 00:41:15,730 --> 00:41:19,969 Can you facilitate us to do to build 00:41:19,969 --> 00:41:24,810 this ecotourism ecosystem.
00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:26,689 And we did that.
And now we are going 00:41:26,689 --> 00:41:29,529 to launch this at the end of this month.
00:41:29,529 --> 00:41:32,494 Wow.
That's wonderful.
Yeah.
Wow.
00:41:32,494 --> 00:41:35,780 We have to be optimistic because you have to be creative.
00:41:35,780 --> 00:41:38,100 You have to do something.
No other choice.
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,139 We will still be there.
I mean, 00:41:40,139 --> 00:41:43,779 adversity often offers opportunity, doesn't it? 00:41:43,779 --> 00:41:46,899 Right? The orangutans have helped you out.
00:41:46,899 --> 00:41:48,579 Nature has helped you out.
00:41:48,579 --> 00:41:53,149 I love that.
I wonder with your app, 00:41:53,149 --> 00:41:57,799 Have new opportunities arisen 00:41:57,799 --> 00:42:01,119 in terms of helping you with funding? 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,079 Or is that just a natural evolution 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,880 when it comes to being an entrepreneur? 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,319 How do you confront the challenges of money? 00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:18,459 I For me, first of all, 00:42:18,459 --> 00:42:21,860 we want this challenge, 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:29,060 we got $200,000 per seed fund.
00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:31,739 Plus, we had a lot of developers, 00:42:31,739 --> 00:42:33,659 the entire IBM team 00:42:33,659 --> 00:42:38,339 just join us and started developing at the same time.
00:42:38,339 --> 00:42:39,819 For the first two years, 00:42:39,819 --> 00:42:42,219 it has been really just 00:42:42,219 --> 00:42:45,499 fine that we could just develop everything.
00:42:45,499 --> 00:42:48,259 But once it's launched and now it's 00:42:48,259 --> 00:42:52,814 like are we earning money or how much is it? 00:42:52,814 --> 00:42:55,049 How much? How much is the app? 00:42:55,049 --> 00:42:57,250 The app for rural farmers, 00:42:57,250 --> 00:42:59,650 it really depends on the country.
00:42:59,650 --> 00:43:04,169 We just premium subscription, 00:43:04,169 --> 00:43:07,530 we like seven to $14.
That's wonderful.
00:43:07,530 --> 00:43:11,009 It's just, I think biweekly price we put, 00:43:11,009 --> 00:43:15,290 but still a lot of in developing countries, 00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:18,169 especially like Mongolia people 00:43:18,169 --> 00:43:22,169 have not really learned to pay for apps yet.
00:43:22,169 --> 00:43:25,329 It's still like the perspective change.
00:43:25,329 --> 00:43:26,689 I think that's around the world.
00:43:26,689 --> 00:43:29,989 We all want it for free.
Everyone was free.
00:43:29,989 --> 00:43:34,270 But we also had free menu sections, 00:43:34,270 --> 00:43:38,109 but we also had premium sections where they can pay.
00:43:38,109 --> 00:43:40,670 But after that, instead 00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:43,429 of just trying to earn money from farmers, 00:43:43,429 --> 00:43:44,909 we realized that there are 00:43:44,909 --> 00:43:47,789 other segments that we can earn money like for example, 00:43:47,789 --> 00:43:49,909 banks or, for example, 00:43:49,909 --> 00:43:53,149 financial institutions and verification services, 00:43:53,149 --> 00:43:56,029 where farmers usually they have a big land 00:43:56,029 --> 00:43:59,750 and then every year they just look for loan.
00:43:59,750 --> 00:44:04,030 We thought maybe farming data are necessary for banking 00:44:04,030 --> 00:44:06,109 parts or verification companies 00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:08,709 who are also doing the same job.
00:44:08,709 --> 00:44:16,390 We also we started digitizing the verification companies, 00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:20,229 and we just built another app for the verification where 00:44:20,229 --> 00:44:22,989 all those verification companies can digitize 00:44:22,989 --> 00:44:27,029 their process like automated and based on app, 00:44:27,029 --> 00:44:30,965 they can also supply their data to the banks later.
00:44:30,965 --> 00:44:33,419 I love the fact that 00:44:33,419 --> 00:44:35,699 it's just your database 00:44:35,699 --> 00:44:37,660 is growing and growing and growing, 00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:40,859 and the funding streams are also growing with 00:44:40,859 --> 00:44:44,379 that in trying to solve one core need.
00:44:44,379 --> 00:44:46,499 I mean, that's fascinating, Chimka.
00:44:46,499 --> 00:44:48,265 Thank you so much for sharing that.
00:44:48,265 --> 00:44:50,020 Thank you for sharing that.
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:52,099 Okay, Ritkatmun, come on.
00:44:52,099 --> 00:44:54,819 How have you know, what's your story when it 00:44:54,819 --> 00:44:57,420 comes to money? What's it been like? 00:44:57,420 --> 00:45:02,769 So, When we started at first, 00:45:02,769 --> 00:45:05,769 we had to start with bootstrapping.
00:45:05,769 --> 00:45:08,290 You know, I and my co-founder, 00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:10,529 we brought in our own money 00:45:10,529 --> 00:45:12,849 to kick start the whole thing.
00:45:12,849 --> 00:45:17,649 And eventually, grant funding came in into the picture.
00:45:17,649 --> 00:45:20,369 And of course, it gets to 00:45:20,369 --> 00:45:23,370 a point where the funding stops, 00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:28,369 and that's where you now have to transform the business 00:45:28,369 --> 00:45:34,380 from being um solely focused on the land restoration, 00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:36,860 but ensuring that it's economically viable.
00:45:36,860 --> 00:45:43,699 So we had to start thinking of other ways to make money.
00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:46,459 So we don't just 00:45:46,459 --> 00:45:50,139 solely rely on the data services we provide.
00:45:50,139 --> 00:45:52,860 We do a lot of consultations 00:45:52,860 --> 00:45:56,420 for bigger farms, for organizations.
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:58,460 We have farmer groups, 00:45:58,460 --> 00:46:01,859 farmer cooperatives that pay us to 00:46:01,859 --> 00:46:06,299 train their farmers as a group on sustainable practices, 00:46:06,299 --> 00:46:09,339 nutrient management, and all of those things.
00:46:09,339 --> 00:46:11,909 Um So now that 00:46:11,909 --> 00:46:13,109 we've been able because 00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:15,029 we've been able to help farmers grow better, 00:46:15,029 --> 00:46:17,269 they now produce better, which 00:46:17,269 --> 00:46:20,269 highlighted another problem farmers were having, 00:46:20,269 --> 00:46:23,429 which was what happens after we harvest.
00:46:23,429 --> 00:46:25,950 How do we ensure 00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:28,750 this produce gets to the market at a good price? 00:46:28,750 --> 00:46:30,309 So we had to come in again because 00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:32,629 they came back to us, what do we do? 00:46:32,629 --> 00:46:40,109 So we now also started providing, what's it called? 00:46:40,109 --> 00:46:41,750 We start providing 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:44,829 distribution services as well for produce.
00:46:44,829 --> 00:46:48,069 So we collect from the farmers and connect them 00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:51,589 to buyers who would pay good price for their produce.
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:54,589 Wonderful.
Wonderful.
I love the fact that you've all 00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:58,469 responded and come up with other solutions.
00:46:58,469 --> 00:47:00,829 In terms of, we're just going to 00:47:00,829 --> 00:47:03,389 stay or rather try and bring 00:47:03,389 --> 00:47:06,750 everything to a close because often 00:47:06,750 --> 00:47:11,310 people think that restoration and funding, 00:47:11,310 --> 00:47:13,709 you can do it in three months.
00:47:13,709 --> 00:47:18,339 What is it? I recommend your face just went.
00:47:18,339 --> 00:47:21,299 What is it about restoration that people 00:47:21,299 --> 00:47:26,979 misunderstand when it comes to budgeting it? 00:47:26,979 --> 00:47:29,419 Wandy, I'm going to come to you first.
00:47:29,419 --> 00:47:31,419 You know, where is there this mismatch 00:47:31,419 --> 00:47:33,500 and misunderstanding? 00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:40,539 In our community and our organization, 00:47:40,539 --> 00:47:47,379 we believe that learning is expensive, 00:47:47,379 --> 00:47:50,219 and we should invest in that.
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:53,499 It's an ongoing process.
00:47:53,499 --> 00:47:59,599 So Even if we already have limited amount of money, 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:03,359 we learn how to optimize that.
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:07,319 So because something can change, for example, 00:48:07,319 --> 00:48:09,319 livelihood, we have experience in 00:48:09,319 --> 00:48:11,560 one of the fillets, Pilg fillets.
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,280 We supported this rubber farmer.
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:20,879 So we teach them not teach them, 00:48:20,879 --> 00:48:22,959 we provide support for them, 00:48:22,959 --> 00:48:27,090 and also we link them to the offtr the buyer, 00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:30,690 the local factory, and also there's one big factory, 00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:33,289 I think Bridgeton also have.
00:48:33,289 --> 00:48:38,890 But now with the increasing gold miners, 00:48:38,890 --> 00:48:40,730 small scale gold miners, 00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:43,689 there's no incentive to do that.
00:48:43,689 --> 00:48:48,165 So most of them shift to gold mining.
00:48:48,165 --> 00:48:50,199 So we have to learn new things.
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:55,320 So for us, this is the challenge, 00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:01,839 how we always learning so that we can like I mean, 00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:03,319 the very good thing is the 00:49:03,319 --> 00:49:05,679 multi stakeholder partnership because we 00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:10,119 learn from very different stakeholders, 00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:12,359 and there is also a lot of opportunity from that.
00:49:12,359 --> 00:49:16,074 Has anybody here on the panel ever thought of giving up? 00:49:16,074 --> 00:49:20,669 No.
Everyone is not.
00:49:20,669 --> 00:49:22,629 No, no, no, 00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:52,470 or 00:49:55,700 --> 00:50:00,059 He says that at this stage of his life, 00:50:00,059 --> 00:50:07,420 which is very young, he is too late for change courses.
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:09,139 It's embedded in him.
00:50:09,139 --> 00:50:12,220 He was born within the coal.
00:50:12,220 --> 00:50:15,539 He has been grown up nearby 00:50:15,539 --> 00:50:20,389 the rivers and and he dosed with all the heart and 00:50:20,389 --> 00:50:25,029 with all the passion and he is not like 00:50:25,029 --> 00:50:27,830 he didn't immerse himself later 00:50:27,830 --> 00:50:31,549 in his life into the environmental world.
00:50:31,549 --> 00:50:33,709 He's not a newbie basically, 00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:38,510 so he has been there for a long time and is in his DNA.
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:40,229 It's calling now.
Yeah, he's 00:50:40,229 --> 00:50:42,629 got no choice.
You've got to carry on.
00:50:42,629 --> 00:50:45,230 Everybody nodded, 00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:47,189 why would you give up 00:50:47,189 --> 00:50:50,349 one day and what stopped you from giving up? 00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:56,449 Well, I think it is also part of my value.
00:50:56,449 --> 00:51:00,330 I used to be a student activist back in the 90s, 00:51:00,330 --> 00:51:04,009 and I actually, I moved to Kalimantan for good.
00:51:04,009 --> 00:51:09,050 And I think those who have better network, 00:51:09,050 --> 00:51:12,609 better understanding about policy, 00:51:12,609 --> 00:51:15,049 bigger picture should come to 00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:18,369 the village to the committee, 00:51:18,369 --> 00:51:20,809 because there I think the problem, 00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:23,409 if you make wrong policy, 00:51:23,409 --> 00:51:27,379 you can see clearly what's happening in the field, 00:51:27,379 --> 00:51:29,499 what works and what not working, 00:51:29,499 --> 00:51:31,140 it can be seen clearly.
00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:33,539 So I think that's why I 00:51:33,539 --> 00:51:34,859 always the collaborative 00:51:34,859 --> 00:51:36,619 approach, I think it's a good thing.
00:51:36,619 --> 00:51:38,699 And that's why for donors, 00:51:38,699 --> 00:51:42,299 for policymaker, come to the community, 00:51:42,299 --> 00:51:44,340 see what happened in the field, 00:51:44,340 --> 00:51:47,619 and then we learn together because some, 00:51:47,619 --> 00:51:50,900 some works well, some fails.
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:52,739 Chimka, did you ever think of 00:51:52,739 --> 00:51:54,859 giving up? And what stopped you? 00:51:54,859 --> 00:51:57,060 Of course, many times.
00:51:57,060 --> 00:52:01,089 Just give us an example, W.
It's not worth this.
00:52:01,089 --> 00:52:03,839 Yeah, I think there are a lot of perspectives.
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:06,319 Not only this policy level, 00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:09,160 it doesn't work and sometimes with your teamwork, 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,640 it seems like they have different ideas 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,240 and you have different ideas 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,879 and it doesn't really get aligned.
00:52:16,879 --> 00:52:22,319 But I mean, just because of my history of my family, 00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:24,800 I think it really just reconnected 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,039 me to keep doing what I have to do.
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,759 At the same time, if 00:52:29,759 --> 00:52:32,959 we do not do this today, who else will do? 00:52:32,959 --> 00:52:35,199 Who else will help us? 00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:40,970 This thought kept me really into This is personal.
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:43,889 Is that something you understand, Ritkatmun? 00:52:43,889 --> 00:52:46,489 Yes.
Yeah.
So what 00:52:46,489 --> 00:52:48,929 was your moment where you thought, I'm out.
00:52:48,929 --> 00:52:51,364 I'm done.
And then what stopped you? 00:52:51,364 --> 00:52:56,199 So a while ago, we're having challenges.
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:58,079 So earlier on I had said we 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,759 also help with the distribution 00:53:01,759 --> 00:53:03,600 of produce for the farmers.
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,000 So we have cold storage solar power co storage units, 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,799 and we're supposed to roll out some sets in 00:53:10,799 --> 00:53:13,720 some farming communities, some units.
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,199 But because of there were 00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:17,759 some instability that were 00:53:17,759 --> 00:53:19,879 happening at the moment in those communities, 00:53:19,879 --> 00:53:22,440 it caused serious setback and delay.
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,959 So it was really, 00:53:23,959 --> 00:53:27,759 really frustrating because there was no way out.
00:53:27,759 --> 00:53:31,360 These were forces beyond our control at Green Eden Farms.
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,999 So I tired of just giving up.
00:53:33,999 --> 00:53:36,679 I was like, I'm like, I mean, I started with data.
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:40,359 I'm getting into these other parts of the whole thing.
00:53:40,359 --> 00:53:42,999 Why not just give up and focus on one thing.
00:53:42,999 --> 00:53:46,759 But looking back at the farmers, 00:53:46,759 --> 00:53:49,279 the way they really look up to me.
00:53:49,279 --> 00:53:51,319 I mean, someone's life 00:53:51,319 --> 00:53:53,840 someone's livelihood, someone's income, 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,640 family depends on me and not just the farmers, 00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,199 but those who indirectly benefit the final consumers, 00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:04,024 people that get this food, I just can't give up.
00:54:04,024 --> 00:54:08,249 Okay, so if you're not giving up to finish today, 00:54:08,249 --> 00:54:12,049 what would be your one ask of those in power, 00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:14,289 the policymakers, that they could do? 00:54:14,289 --> 00:54:16,090 You have the experience on the ground.
00:54:16,090 --> 00:54:17,609 Do you know what could make the change 00:54:17,609 --> 00:54:19,209 like that would make 00:54:19,209 --> 00:54:23,450 your life easier and would make everything else easier, 00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:24,849 would protect the land, protect 00:54:24,849 --> 00:54:26,770 their communities livelihoods.
00:54:26,770 --> 00:54:29,149 Yeah.
So you would say to somebody, 00:54:29,149 --> 00:54:32,429 if you go to work on Monday and you do this, 00:54:32,429 --> 00:54:35,989 it could make all the difference.
You start.
00:54:35,989 --> 00:54:41,869 Yeah.
It's something that Alejandro had brought up, 00:54:41,869 --> 00:54:44,069 which is land restoration 00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:45,789 should not be treated as a project, 00:54:45,789 --> 00:54:48,069 but as a process because it's 00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:51,269 a full circle and you cannot just 00:54:51,269 --> 00:54:56,909 fund and just some months of activities and expect that, 00:54:56,909 --> 00:54:59,549 that's land restoration, it doesn't stop there.
00:54:59,549 --> 00:55:02,109 If the people who work 00:55:02,109 --> 00:55:03,709 directly with this land 00:55:03,709 --> 00:55:05,749 is not economically viable for them, 00:55:05,749 --> 00:55:07,549 you see no reason to continue 00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:10,029 to be part of this land restoration process.
00:55:10,029 --> 00:55:12,029 So it shouldn't be treated as 00:55:12,029 --> 00:55:15,109 a one time project, but as a process.
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:18,829 Okay.
Wandy, what could 00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:23,150 somebody do on Monday to make your life so much easier? 00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:34,269 I think funding the community, the people, 00:55:34,269 --> 00:55:38,150 and then part of that, the institutionalization 00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:41,590 of the community in whichever form.
00:55:41,590 --> 00:55:44,029 Small, medium enterprises, 00:55:44,029 --> 00:55:47,309 farmers association cooperative, 00:55:47,309 --> 00:55:50,589 they need that institutionalization because they 00:55:50,589 --> 00:55:54,190 need to manage the production, 00:55:54,190 --> 00:55:58,350 the finance, the small scale grand, 00:55:58,350 --> 00:56:01,390 or the selling of the products.
00:56:01,390 --> 00:56:04,509 And I also learned I asked 00:56:04,509 --> 00:56:08,789 all the leader of conservation organization.
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:12,149 I asked what is the most important thing in 00:56:12,149 --> 00:56:17,869 conservation for as long as you work in conservation.
00:56:17,869 --> 00:56:19,934 They say the same things.
00:56:19,934 --> 00:56:23,840 Community building, community development.
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,679 Strengthen strengthen the community back the community.
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:30,759 Thank you.
Mk, what about yourself? 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,040 For me, I think for Rather than funding, 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,359 it's ecosystem is more important.
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:41,360 Yes, ecosystem because I think if the farmer 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,159 they want verification and 00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:45,160 they want to access to finance, 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,799 I think it's very important to have 00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:49,679 all this policy rules and regulations 00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:52,079 ready at hand because I think when 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,880 it's when it's connected with technology, 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,720 the farming is much more complex.
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:00,079 We don't know how to handle the data, who's on the data.
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,079 I think those problems are more 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:04,439 important because I think even if we 00:57:04,439 --> 00:57:08,519 had a lot of funt if the ecosystem doesn't allow you 00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:13,079 to deep into the play the game on the ground, 00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:15,079 I think it's very hard.
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:18,159 Thank you.
That's fascinating.
Alejandro.
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:19,599 Yes.
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,039 I 00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:44,579 The realities 00:57:44,579 --> 00:57:50,380 on the floor are complex, are not simple.
00:57:50,380 --> 00:57:53,379 Therefore, there is a lot of 00:57:53,379 --> 00:57:54,699 changes on the way 00:57:54,699 --> 00:57:57,180 whenever you are working on the ground.
00:57:57,180 --> 00:58:00,619 It's not a linear thing.
00:58:00,619 --> 00:58:03,060 There is always things that you have to solve.
00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:04,979 And therefore, that's why he 00:58:04,979 --> 00:58:07,739 insists on his point that also Ritkatmun was 00:58:07,739 --> 00:58:13,684 contributed in funding process instead of only projects.
00:58:13,684 --> 00:58:16,509 Okay.
Thank you very much to everyone.
00:58:16,509 --> 00:58:19,829 Thank you, Alejandro, Chimka, 00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:24,469 Ritkatmun as well and Fabiola and Wandy as well.
00:58:24,469 --> 00:58:26,349 It's been wonderful for you to 00:58:26,349 --> 00:58:28,790 share your stories with us.
The real stories.
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:30,750 Yes, not the top lines, 00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:32,829 but the real stories.
Thank you.
00:58:32,829 --> 00:58:39,670 Thank you.
Good luck as well.
Good luck.
00:58:40,550 --> 00:58:43,029 I wonder if we could just have a quick photo, 00:58:43,029 --> 00:58:44,549 a family photo, please.
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:47,974 Yes, always there waiting.
Thank you.
00:58:47,974 --> 00:58:50,679 And just for everybody, just to let you know 00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:53,359 that there is an event starting immediately.
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:57,279 You heard Wandy talking about fires that 00:58:57,279 --> 00:59:01,759 his tropical peatland climate endures.
00:59:01,759 --> 00:59:04,800 We're actually, and it is so timely, 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,439 to be honest with you, that 00:59:06,439 --> 00:59:08,479 the globe seems to be on fire at the moment.
00:59:08,479 --> 00:59:11,520 Our next session is looking at wildfires.
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,720 And I can guarantee 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,880 there are going to be some fascinating insights, 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,719 particularly on the research and some of the work 00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:22,039 that needs to go to fight wildfires.
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:25,039 And if you heard the news today, 00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,229 it could get Oh, 00:59:27,229 --> 00:59:28,709 so much worse next year.
00:59:28,709 --> 00:59:31,429 El Nino has been confirmed as next year, 00:59:31,429 --> 00:59:34,869 we are in for a horrible, horrible year.
00:59:34,869 --> 00:59:40,190 So although everybody is heading to Ale C for Cop 31, 00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:44,149 you should actually be here because everything is 00:59:44,149 --> 00:59:48,269 drying up a lot quicker and will be affected.
00:59:48,269 --> 00:59:50,070 So this next event 00:59:50,070 --> 00:59:53,949 is one to stay for.
So thank you very much.
01:00:08,220 --> 01:00:18,139 The way you? 01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:25,819 Thank you.